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Catholic view of Purgatory ... Is it real?

michael_legna's picture

Which is more important to know His life or His teachings?

Michael said,
If you require that forgiveness is dependent on a complete and completely accurate understanding of theology then your position does not differ from that some Protestants like to accuse the RCC of - that of condemning anyone who doesn't agree with their understanding. The difference is the RCC does not do this and you seem to.

Mike said,
Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:.... Ephesians 2:11

I am sorry but I do not see how you are attempting to relate this to a complete and completely accurate understanding of theology.

Michael said,
But you are equating not knowing of the existence of a first century carpenter or of the crucifixion as the same as being without Christ. I don't accept that and I don't see anything in scripture that supports that idea.

Mike says,
I asked the question ... can a moslem who believes that Christ is merely a prophet, go to purgatory?

I don't know, I don't judge peoples salvation status. That is left to one and only one. I do know that only those who are saved will go through Purgatory.

Mike said -
Your interpretation of 1 Corinthians 3 is such that those who have built on the foundation (Christ) will be purgated.

And I have understood you to say that is is possible to suffer purgation without knowing Christ.

No either you misunderstood me or if I said that I mis-spoke. I believe it is possible to be saved without KNOWING OF Jesus and His life, but one can KNOW Jesus by KNOWING His Gospel and teachings.

Mike said -
How can anybody "build on the foundation" and not know they are building on the foundation?

From a metaphorical view it's simple really builders do it all the time, just as any construction company in Europe they build over old foundations all the time.

In this "real" case anyone can build on the foundation of Christ by building on His teachings and doing the will of the Father. It is the same principle as how the Gentiles fulfilled the law in the Old Testament.

Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Mike said -
I think that you are in serious error!

Acts 4:12 says,

"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

You would be correct if I had indeed said that you did not need to know Jesus through His teachings, but I did not. This verse does not say we need to know about a 1st Century carpenter. It says salvation came through Him, and it does not even say we need to know that. The rest of scripture does say what we need to know and to obey in order to accept this free gift, but it does not say we need to know who gives the gift other than it is from God.

Mike said -
To believe that Jesus is the only Way is
1.not condemnatory
2.not judgemental
3.does not require extensive theological knowlegde.

First to focus on the requirement that one has to know of Jesus life and not just His message is condemnatory and judgmental. Not just condemnatory and judgmental, but nonsensical, because His message (the Gospel) is so much more important than the life of a first century carpenter except in as much as that life expresses the Gospel). I think extensive is a relative term. Clearly the Gospel is complex enough that many have missed it's true meaning (regardless of whether Catholics or Protestants turn out to be right).