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Catholic view of Purgatory ... Is it real?

Mike Kirby's picture

to be without Christ is to be lost and condemned! (no purgatory)

Michael said,
If you require that forgiveness is dependent on a complete and completely accurate understanding of theology then your position does not differ from that some Protestants like to accuse the RCC of - that of condemning anyone who doesn't agree with their understanding. The difference is the RCC does not do this and you seem to.

Mike said,

Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:.... Ephesians 2:11

Michael said,

But you are equating not knowing of the existence of a first century carpenter or of the crucifixion as the same as being without Christ. I don't accept that and I don't see anything in scripture that supports that idea.

Mike says,

I asked the question ... can a moslem who believes that Christ is merely a prophet, go to purgatory?

Your interpretation of 1 Corinthians 3 is such that those who have built on the foundation (Christ) will be purgated.

And I have understood you to say that is is possible to suffer purgation without knowing Christ.

How can anybody "build on the foundation" and not know they are building on the foundation?

I think that you are in serious error!

Acts 4:12 says,

"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

To believe that Jesus is the only Way is
1.not condemnatory
2.not judgemental
3.does not require extensive theological knowlegde.

Michael said,

But I realize we have gotten way off topic since none of this relates to Purgatory since it is not a salvation issue.

Mike says,

Yes ..it started as a purgatory issue in my original questions to jwmcmac.

But I now understand your (and RCC) confession and understanding about Jesus Christ, salvation and "purgatory".
It is even more apparent to me now that, not only is RCC not at all necessary but may even be detrimental in the salvation of men, depending on how one understands purgatory.

Jesus said, "I am the Way the Truth and the Life".

On Him I rest my eternity.

Thank you for the dialogue...

Mike
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"Divine Grace is not opposed to effort ...
it is opposed to earning "

Mike
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"Divine Grace is not opposed to effort ...
it is opposed to earning "
— Dallas Willard




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