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Catholic view of Purgatory ... Is it real?

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The gifts and suffering occur in the same process - after death

Mike Kirby said -
How about a little upside to this argument?

Perhaps the carnality of it all is preventing us from seeing the “meat” of the issue and that is not so much what we are going to “lose” at the judgment seat but what about the rewards?

You are so right there is an upside. These rewards (which I think are a reference to the crowns mentioned elsewhere in the Bible) are a huge upside. But their presence in this same discussion convinces me even more that we are talking about a process after our physical death and a process that only applies to those who are saved (those who built upon the foundation of Christ).

Therefore I conclude that there is a process where our works are tried by fire, some are burnt away as dross is burnt away from gold to refine it, and we suffer in the process to some extent, but that suffering in no way affects our salvation.

Mike Kirby said -
Hebrews 11:6 says “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.”

Yes, faith and diligently seeking Him, both - since they are inseparable.

Mike Kirby said -
It is God’s will for us to live a life that will allow Him to reward us for our good works.

Yes, it is His will and if we do not do His will we cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mike Kirby said -
Only those who have the gift of eternal life will appear at the judgment seat of Christ for rewards because eternal life is not a reward but a gift.

Only those who built upon the foundation of Christ have the gift of eternal life and it is only those who have their works tried by fire as discussed in 1 Cor 3.