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Christ removes all barriers to catholicity of His church through faith

JeffLogan's picture

Thinking about Christ and how He breaks down all barriers and spoils all principalities and powers which prevent true universality, true catholicity, of His body, the church...

Has anyone ever considered that a living faith is not achieved by adding our works to our faith but rather, that faith is a gift from God which being quickened by the Holy Spirit produces obedience (good works)? (The keyword here is "quickened". It would serve you well to consult your Strong's Concordance.)

Think about this verse and tell me what it means:

    And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him. -Acts 5:32 (KJV)

But first, before you answer, tell me what this means to demonstrate your wisdom:

    "Love means never having to say you're sorry." (Love Story, The movie.)

Does it mean...

    1) Love does nothing to warrant an apology

    2) Love takes no account of injury

    3) Other (explain)

Now answer the verse in question:

    And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him. -Acts 5:32 (KJV)

Does it mean...

    1) God only gives His Holy Spirit to those who obey Him

    2) God gives His Holy Spirit to men so they might obey Him

    3) Other (explain)

This is a discovery exercise and not a theological debate. Opinions are welcomed but scriptural support would be even better. Be sure to interpret your scriptures so we can understand how you are using them. Commentaries may be insightful but a paraphrase in your own words would be appreciated and would demonstrate you understand your subject matter.

jwmcmac's picture

JqLogan said: "But then, if

JqLogan said:

"But then, if Sunday is not a liberation from the Sabbath command why is the 7th day Sabbath not remembered?"

jwmcmac comments:

Much thanks for your comments, Jq.

Sunday is a Better Way of Observing the LORD's Day. Sunday is a Day devoted to the Scripture . . . which is the Reading of the Written Word . . . and devoted to the Word made Flesh and Dwelt Amongst us . . . the Word WHO is the Bread of Life . . . WHOM we Receive in the Holy Eucharistic Sacrifice and Meal . . . WHO 'Resides' and 'Presides' and 'offers HIMSELF' in these Sacramentally at Each and every Mass where a Consecration has occurred by a validly Ordained Priest in 'confecting' and 'performing' this Sacramental Memorial and Reality.

This Sacrament, in SPIRIT and in Truth, was not present in the former Sabbath . . . but was only intimated and pointed-to by all of the Jewish Law and prescriptions of Worship.

This Sunday Sabbath is to be Observed in Faith and Lived in Grace . . . both as one.

The Legalisms of the former Saturday Sabbath of the Old Covenant . . . are no longer necessary nor practiced . . . nor desired . . . nor desirable . . . in comparison to the New Covenant Sacramental System of Grace and Truth Practice . . . these being of a Sacramental Nature . . . of outward sign and inner Grace acting together as One Thing . . . which these are just One Thing, in CHRIST.

If a Catholic were to practice the Faith . . . only legalistically . . . which could possibly occur if said Catholic were a very negligent or a very poorly catechized Catholic (as we have these today in the world, unfortunately) . . . if a Catholic were to Practice the Faith without 'discerning' in Faith WHO HE is Receiving in Holy Communion . . . he Receiving JESUS HIMSELF . . . this Catholic would possibly be doing as you say . . . Jq . . . being only legalistic and not being of the practice of the Faith in Love, from the Heart.

Just as does any worthy Protestant . . . any Catholic who knows and Believes the Teachings of the Church. . . also 'Knows' . . . that 'Faith and a worthy disposition of Love' must accompany his every thought, word and action in Worshipping CHRIST and in Practicing his Faith in CHRIST . . . and that without this disposition of Love . . . the practice of our Faith is as 'clanging cymbals'.

Jq quoting jwmcmac:

"We see the Sunday Observation as a minimal 'Requirement' in 'Observing' and 'Obeying' CHRIST's Command to 'Do' the FATHER's Will.

JqLogan speaking again:

And it is these very words, "minimal 'Requirement'" that suggest a works salvation. In fact, the use of the word "minimal" pertaining to obedience also suggests that loopholes exists that a man might use to excuse himself from the maximum requirements. Does it not?

jwmcmac comments:

You're stretching the meaning again into what you errantly 'see' as the Church's motive . . . you thinking that She desires to 'control' our every thought, word and deed.

'Practicing the Faith' . . . to the Jews . . . can be demonstrated and was demonstrated . . . by CHRIST . . . to be somewhat of a legalistic system.

Practicing the Faith to a Member of the Church . . . is a matter of we employing all of our Heart, Mind, body and Soul . . . acting and Believing . . . both inwardly and outwardly . . . visibly and invisibly . . . all working together as One Thing in our Worshipping of CHRIST and our Unity with Him.

JqLogan continues in quoting jwmcmac:

"We see the Sunday Observation as a Spiritualized Version of the Prior Sabbath Day, but one which Observes the Spirit of the First Sabbath rather than the 'letter' of it."

jwmcmac comments:

In these last two of my reply-comments . . . in these . . . I did not quote your response . . . but it seemed to me that you were trying to imply or to demonstrate or to show the 'possible' motive of the Church and of every other authority in trying to 'Create Barriers' to CHRIST.

My response to this . . . not attempting to be speaking for the others or for the other Churches . . . but not so in The Catholic Church . . . not so at all . . . no conspiracy against CHRIST . . . this not even 'unknowingly' . . . no conspiracy against HIM or usurping HIM or supplanting HIM or creating barriers to HIM . . . but very much quite to the contrary . . . the Church Offering Union to HIM and Oneness with HIM.

In the Catholic Faith, CHRIST is the Center . . . HE Residing fully in Her Center in the Holy Eucharist . . . as well as in the Written Word upon which She meditates both day and night . . . in the SPIRIT . . . and in accordance with the Divine Will unto the giving Birth to the Whole Christ as time goes into Eternity.

JqLogan said:

"It is our job, not to make men submissive to us, but to take them directly to Christ without detour and present to them the One who can save them. We are to place them in His care and teach them to trust only to God, to accept only His Word as Truth. That was the work of John the Baptist. "Behold, the Lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world."


jwmcmac comments:

Amen! Brother.

It is the Church's job to . . . 'Believe' in Faith and to 'Do' the following in Love . . .

Saint Mark Chapter 16:

"15 And he said to them: Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned."

GOD Bless you, Jq, and us all.