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Christ removes all barriers to catholicity of His church through faith

JeffLogan's picture

Thinking about Christ and how He breaks down all barriers and spoils all principalities and powers which prevent true universality, true catholicity, of His body, the church...

Has anyone ever considered that a living faith is not achieved by adding our works to our faith but rather, that faith is a gift from God which being quickened by the Holy Spirit produces obedience (good works)? (The keyword here is "quickened". It would serve you well to consult your Strong's Concordance.)

Think about this verse and tell me what it means:

    And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him. -Acts 5:32 (KJV)

But first, before you answer, tell me what this means to demonstrate your wisdom:

    "Love means never having to say you're sorry." (Love Story, The movie.)

Does it mean...

    1) Love does nothing to warrant an apology

    2) Love takes no account of injury

    3) Other (explain)

Now answer the verse in question:

    And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him. -Acts 5:32 (KJV)

Does it mean...

    1) God only gives His Holy Spirit to those who obey Him

    2) God gives His Holy Spirit to men so they might obey Him

    3) Other (explain)

This is a discovery exercise and not a theological debate. Opinions are welcomed but scriptural support would be even better. Be sure to interpret your scriptures so we can understand how you are using them. Commentaries may be insightful but a paraphrase in your own words would be appreciated and would demonstrate you understand your subject matter.

jwmcmac's picture

JqLogan said: "But the worse

(Jwmcmac says: For 'Clarity's' sake . . . the following in answer to Jq)

JqLogan said:

"But the worse part about the whole thing is that we view God's command to keep Sabbath holy as a grievous thing while we embrace the Sunday tradition as a wonderful liberation from the Sabbath command. However, IMO, the Protestant view of Sunday excels that of the Catholic who holds it to be a day of obligation thereby representing it as a work that one must do in order to be saved. And that view makes Sunday observance legalistic in the same sense as the Judiazers made circumcision legalistic. So it seems you have destroyed your whole argument by this one simple admission born of reason."

jwmcmac comments:

That's not the way we see it.

There is no 'grievousness' to the Old Covenant's Sabbath.

We do not see the Sunday Celebration as a 'liberation' from the Sabbath command at all.

We see the Sunday Observation as a minimal 'Requirement' in 'Observing' and 'Obeying' CHRIST's Command to 'Do' the FATHER's Will.

We see the Sunday Observation as a Spiritualized Version of the Prior Sabbath Day, but one which Observes the Spirit of the First Sabbath rather than the 'letter' of it.

Your view of 'legalistic' goes well beyond what legalism is . . . you thinking to call 'Obedience' and 'Righteousness' to be 'legalisms'.

That is not at all the way we see the Spiritual Practices of the Sacramental Life of the Catholic Faith.

GOD Bless you and us all.