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Christ removes all barriers to catholicity of His church through faith

JeffLogan's picture

Thinking about Christ and how He breaks down all barriers and spoils all principalities and powers which prevent true universality, true catholicity, of His body, the church...

Has anyone ever considered that a living faith is not achieved by adding our works to our faith but rather, that faith is a gift from God which being quickened by the Holy Spirit produces obedience (good works)? (The keyword here is "quickened". It would serve you well to consult your Strong's Concordance.)

Think about this verse and tell me what it means:

    And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him. -Acts 5:32 (KJV)

But first, before you answer, tell me what this means to demonstrate your wisdom:

    "Love means never having to say you're sorry." (Love Story, The movie.)

Does it mean...

    1) Love does nothing to warrant an apology

    2) Love takes no account of injury

    3) Other (explain)

Now answer the verse in question:

    And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him. -Acts 5:32 (KJV)

Does it mean...

    1) God only gives His Holy Spirit to those who obey Him

    2) God gives His Holy Spirit to men so they might obey Him

    3) Other (explain)

This is a discovery exercise and not a theological debate. Opinions are welcomed but scriptural support would be even better. Be sure to interpret your scriptures so we can understand how you are using them. Commentaries may be insightful but a paraphrase in your own words would be appreciated and would demonstrate you understand your subject matter.

Noshic's picture

Spirit's work and man's role

I think we're all pretty much in agreement here on most things.
My point about role of free will even after recieving the Holy Spirit was this: Throughout the scriptures, all believers are exhorted to live in accordance with the Spirit of Truth that's within them, and not according to the sinful desires of their former selves... Now it's implicit in the act of giving instructions to any person that there's a possibility of the person 'not' following them. One doesn't need to instruct someone who's going to do those things anyway.
So though it is the Holy Spirit within us that both wills and obeys, man has a little role still left - and that is to 'allow' the Spirit to work within him - Only in that sense can we count it as his work. Hearing the voice of the Spirit, allowing it to prevail in our deeds, asking for forgiveness everytime we wilfully ignore or suppress the Spirit of truth, trying harder the next time - I think that's our role, our 'work'. What do you think?