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Call no man father.

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Hello all,

On another topic, the Esteemed Julabee Jones is castigating Catholics roundly for calling priests, father.

She bases that opinion on Jesus' injunction, "call no man father". Now I don't see any qualifications there. Jesus didn't say, don't call priests father. He said
And call no man your father upon the earth.... Matthew 23:9

Yet, I've met no one, Protestant or Catholic, who doesn't call their dad, father. Except a few disrespectful children.

So I was wondering, what do you call your father? A question, by the way, which the sweet Julabee, has yet to answer.


De Maria

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re: I've rechecked. I've not

Hi Noshi,

I've rechecked. I've not written any message to anyone else on this thread.

As have I. And you are correct. My mistake.

And I've consistently said that one must look at the spirit in which these words were said. So you must be dreaming.


I'm amazed that you think 'it's besides the point' that no apostle ever asked to be addressed as 'Father' or Holy', or demanded any ceremonial honours for themselves. Nor is there any scriptural evidence of people addressing them as such.

That's not what I meant. Lets review:

You said:
He even worked with his own hands rather that be a burden to anyone (building tents), moved around as a common person, was kept in chains at other times. Whether he refered to himself as father or teacher, it's clear that he lived as just a servant of God.

I responded:
That is besides the point.

Meaning its besides the point that he worked with his hands.
And I continued:
What did he say in verse 1 Cor 4:15.

He certainly has begotten many children for someone who doesn't call himself a father:

Philemon 1:10 (King James Version)

10I beseech thee for my son Onesimus, whom I have begotten in my bonds:

1 Timothy 1:2 (King James Version)

2Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

And he isn't the only Apostle who refers to his flock as his children.
1 John 2

1 My little children, these things I write to you, that you may not sin. But if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the just:

And if the Apostles are referring to their flock as their children. How do you think the "children" are referring to the Apostles?

Picking out a few verses of your choice out of context, while missing the whole spirit of the Gospel. Classic case of missing the wood for the tree.

I don't think I've taken any verse out of context.

De Maria