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Call no man father.

De Maria's picture

Hello all,

On another topic, the Esteemed Julabee Jones is castigating Catholics roundly for calling priests, father.

She bases that opinion on Jesus' injunction, "call no man father". Now I don't see any qualifications there. Jesus didn't say, don't call priests father. He said
And call no man your father upon the earth.... Matthew 23:9

Yet, I've met no one, Protestant or Catholic, who doesn't call their dad, father. Except a few disrespectful children.

So I was wondering, what do you call your father? A question, by the way, which the sweet Julabee, has yet to answer.


De Maria

JeffLogan's picture

It is not the title that is

It is not the title that is significant in Jesus' instructions.

Response to:forests and trees
Submitted by JStaller on Fri, 2009-11-13 06:22.

I agree that the title is not that important. In the weight of all the evidence the word itself seems insignificant and harmless. What we are not to do is to allow men to act in place of the Holy Spirit. Instead of looking to men to guide us into all truth, though I don't deny they can be agents, we are to learn to hear the still small voice of God speaking to us through the Holy Spirit. That is what I believe Jesus was teaching.

    7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
    8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

    12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
    13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

    14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
    15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

    John 16:7-15 (KJV)

Instead of men teaching us to listen to them, and to believe as they do and act as they do, they should be teaching us to listen for the still small voice of God speaking to us through the Holy Spirit. Instead of endeavoring to have men place their trust in them, they should be endeavor to place our trust in God. And if we disagree on some points then persuade us with the Word of God. But don't threaten to send us to hell or to the stake for disagreeing, or condemn us as though God is not our Master.

    Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

    Romans 14:4 (KJV)

We should have the same attitude as Gamaliel concerning those we feel hold to heresy.

    Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space;

    And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

    Acts 5:34-39 (KJV)

God may do doing a new thing such as he did with the apostles and many other times in history, past and present. Of course, we ought not just flee to every wind of doctrine that presents itself, but at the same time we shouldn't cling to old doctrine when the light of scripture reveals its error. Once again it is important to know God's word so we won't be deceived.

“The path of true piety is so plain as to require
but little political direction.” --George Washington,
re: absence of "Jesus Christ" in U.S. Constitution.

Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. -Proverbs 18:2 NIV