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Call no man father.

De Maria's picture

Hello all,

On another topic, the Esteemed Julabee Jones is castigating Catholics roundly for calling priests, father.

She bases that opinion on Jesus' injunction, "call no man father". Now I don't see any qualifications there. Jesus didn't say, don't call priests father. He said
And call no man your father upon the earth.... Matthew 23:9

Yet, I've met no one, Protestant or Catholic, who doesn't call their dad, father. Except a few disrespectful children.

So I was wondering, what do you call your father? A question, by the way, which the sweet Julabee, has yet to answer.


De Maria

Julabee Jones's picture

What do you call God?

Honored De Maria;

Once again, it is my privilege to respond to one of your marvelously written, well crafted and insightful short essays. To say I'm blessed is an understatement.

However, let me preface these remarks with a question or two. I do covet your answers to them. So, with your kind permission...

What is the most powerful voice in the universe?

It is the voice of God, is it not? For with it, the creation was spoken into being.

What do you call the most powerful voice on earth?

It is the voice of Jesus Christ, is it not? For,

"....by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.'

'And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that IN ALL THINGS he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell."

And this same God, most powerful voice in all of creation spoke to Peter, James and John, who were standing transfixed, gazing in amazement upon the transfigured Jesus Christ, on the Mount of Transfiguration, these three words, by which all the world will be judged, and by which the catholic church has been soundly condemned,


And what man-made (and worse, religious) organization has had the unmitigated gall to abrogate, explain away, add to, detract from, and otherwise utterly disregard His Plain Words, the Words of the most powerful voice in the universe? Words capable of creation, but not capable of obedience by the catholic church? Words we are to hear, not abrogate nor dismiss as though they are mere dross, to be willy nilly tossed out as of no value at all....

"But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and ALL YE ARE BRETHREN. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ." Matt 23:8-9.

Do you call men 'father'? Where did the most powerful voice on earth cancel the statement made above? Where did He say to any man, "I give you authority to alter my plain words, spoken as an expression of my Will, my Person, and my Being"? Where did He say, "It is okay to call men father, holy father, eminence, ad infinitum"?

I gave you plain speaking from scripture, and have invested not one syllable of meaning beyond what is written. Could the Honored De Maria vouchsafe the same for me?

Or will you be forced, as heretofore, to get out your endless supply of holy white-out, and liberally apply it to the Word of God?

"HOLY WHITEOUT, HOLY FATHER!!!" the young boy said to the pope,"in my bible, Jesus' words are in red. In your bible, Jesus' Words are all whited out! why is that?"

Do you call men 'Reverend'? Are you called 'father', or 'Reverend' or any other honorific? Or do you call men, as Jesus noted above, simply 'Brother'? For all ye are brethren....

Upholders of the truth? Of which truth? A Priesthood of pediphiles? Inquisition? and a million other sins? or,

"A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit; neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit." Matt 7:18.

You said, "But if we look at the words of Jesus Christ in the Bible, He did not say, "don't call priests your father" But call "no man your father". So, and I understand your reluctance to answer the question Julabee, what do you call "your" dad?"

I call my earthly father, Dad....as I noted before.

And you're quite correct in that Jesus absolutely did not say, "don't call priests your father", for in the New Testament and the New Testament Church, there is no formal priesthood. And surely even in your lexicon, "No Priesthood equals No Priests".

In point of fact, you might wish to note the audience to whom the criticism (and the injuntion to call no man father, master, rabbi) in the 23rd chapter of Matthew was directed. It was pointedly directed to a Jewish priesthood, composed of hypocrites, those who garnish the tombs, but wait, you know about all that, for you yourselves are ruled over by exactly the same thing. Why do you think there is no New Testament priesthood beyond the royal priesthood of which every single member of the church belongs? Could it be the signature failure of the Jewish priesthood was quite enough for God thank you very much?

Can you say, "Teachable Moment?" or are you yet unteachable?

What statement from the most powerful voice in all of creation, would have created such an abomination? Did He not, in the last book of the bible, roundly condemn Nicolaitanism? Did He not, in the next to last book in the bible, condemn those who would be the children of Balaam? You cannot find, nor supply, a plain statement of God's where He sanctioned a New Testament priesthood. But you can find, and I've supplied it to you, "And call no man your father upon the earth"?

My honored friend, you might wish to re-examine yourselves in the light of scripture. On the other hand, if you have too much invested in your error, that re-eximanation would be sorely ill-advised.

I have much, much more to add, but I'll give you leisure to make an attempt to continue destroying the plumbline and will make this a very short post.

I have but one other thing to add, and this is a quote, so in truth, absolutely not my opinion, but that of an older and very wise man, whose view of the catholic church was not so charitable as my own....I have very few moments of 'religious' levity, and felt you would truly appreicate this....

"Catholic Doctrine", the old man said, "is likened to a moderately sized pile of dinosaur dung. It smells so uniformly bad, and bears such a uniformly distasteful texture and appearance, that one hardly knows from where to begin shoveling it. And having scooped up a shovel-ful of it, where on earth then, to put it?"

God bless you and the error-ridden Pale horse you rode in on...

Humbly, I am and remain sincerely yours in Jesus Christ,

Julabee Jones