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Call no man father.

De Maria's picture

Hello all,

On another topic, the Esteemed Julabee Jones is castigating Catholics roundly for calling priests, father.

She bases that opinion on Jesus' injunction, "call no man father". Now I don't see any qualifications there. Jesus didn't say, don't call priests father. He said
And call no man your father upon the earth.... Matthew 23:9

Yet, I've met no one, Protestant or Catholic, who doesn't call their dad, father. Except a few disrespectful children.

So I was wondering, what do you call your father? A question, by the way, which the sweet Julabee, has yet to answer.


De Maria

Julabee Jones's picture

The statement IS the injunction

Honored De Maria;

Wonderful! I feared we were cooling off slightly to this marvelous subject, as in the other thread you'd taken a protracted leave of absence.

It's evident that the Doctrine of Christ is a fundamental concept in Christianity (else, why call it "Christianity"?)

And the author of Hebrews agrees, with, "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection...." Hebrews 6:1.

But before going on, it is always advisable that everyone understand the fundamental, as apparently many do not.

The Doctrine of Christ has two elements (if not more). The Doctrine of Christ is the biblical doctrine that indicates Jesus, due to fulfilling all necessary Old Testament prophecies and qualifications, and having been called "Beloved Son" by the Holy Father is therefore the Christ.

But also, the Doctrine of Christ is another thing. It is the doctrine preached and espoused by the Christ.

"And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at HIS DOCTRINE: for he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes." Matt 7:28-29.

This Doctrine of Christ is composed of the Words Jesus Himself said to us, a distinction evidence indicates you've missed utterly.

For it was this Jesus who said, in verses 21 and 22 of this same chapter,

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that DOETH the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you; depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matt 7:21-23.

For Jesus tells us plainly, "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" Luke 6:46.

To abide in the doctrine of Christ, one must obey the WORDS of Christ, a thing patently not done when Jesus Words that we are to call no man your Father upon the earth are spat upon and cast to the ground. The words are plain, as are the words that do their utmost to obviate and make His Words of none effect.

And here are some more plain words along these lines, regarding those who disregard Jesus' plain speaking....

From John,

"Whosoever transgresseth, and ABIDETH NOT in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.'

'If there come any unto you, and BRING NOT THIS DOCTRINE, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is PARTAKER of HIS EVIL DEEDS." 2 John 9-11.

Pretty serious stuff, taking the words of Jesus and contradicting them by word and action. I'm neither that brave, nor that foolish.

And I call my earthy father (which is a title, a state, not a name; the name of FATHER is reserved for God alone, and He jealously guards that name) "Dad".

God bless, and my sincerest thanks for your having continued this marvelous discussion here, as it was getting crowded out in the other thread. I have much more to share with you, but other responsibilities intrude, and I must bid you adieu until later.

Humbly, I am and remain sincerely yours in Jesus Christ, abiding in the Doctrine of Christ as it were,

Julabee Jones