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One Flesh Union - Christ and the Church

De Maria's picture

What is the One Flesh Union concerning Christ and the Church?

I have posted a version of this question in the Biblical Studies because I believe it is a beautiful question to ponder. And another version in the interdenominational Discussions to see how we view this mystery as expressed in the Sacrament of Matrimony differently.

But I have really been waiting patiently and anxiously for quite a long time to post this particular question on this forum because in another discussion here, the Catholic view of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church was called blasphemous. Specifically this teaching from the Catechism.

795 Christ and his Church thus together make up the "whole Christ" (Christus totus). The Church is one with Christ. The saints are acutely aware of this unity:

Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself. Do you understand and grasp, brethren, God's grace toward us? Marvel and rejoice: we have become Christ. For if he is the head, we are the members; he and we together are the whole man. . . . The fullness of Christ then is the head and the members. But what does "head and members" mean? Christ and the Church.

Our redeemer has shown himself to be one person with the holy Church whom he has taken to himself.

Head and members form as it were one and the same mystical person.

A reply of St. Joan of Arc to her judges sums up the faith of the holy doctors and the good sense of the believer: "About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply know they're just one thing, and we shouldn't complicate the matter."

Our understanding of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church is based upon this verse.
Ephesians 5:
30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Now, it seems to me that our understanding lines up pretty well with Scripture.

And so, I posted this particular thread to see how your views contrast with the Catholic view of this greatest and most wonderful of mysteries.


De Maria

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De Maria wrote, "I

De Maria wrote, "I understand that Jeff is suggesting I cast the Church aside. Isn't that what you meant Jeff? After all, that is how you practice your religion."

DM, you are speaking on matters which are beyond the scope of your limited knowledge. You don't know how I practice my religion. I am the church so I cannot cast myself aside. However, your church is something other than its constituents. It a little hard to understand but from what I gather the church cannot error but its various members do. Therefore, the various members are not the church. And, the church is infallible but the people in the church are not. Therefore, the people are not the church. Even Popes and priests have erred so they must not be the church either. So the only thing left is the church precepts. That must be the church. Did I deduce correctly? I am almost certain the bricks and mortar are not what you consider the church. So what is left?

From what you have written previously I have gathered that you are uncertain about your salvation, you don't claim to have direct communication with God, and from what JW wrote, you don't feel humbled confessing your sins to God. In light of that, what I was suggesting is that the church get out of your way so you can see Jesus, talk with Him, and get to know Him personally. If your church gets in the way of that then, yes, you should cast it aside so you might gain Jesus. Count it as dung compared to knowing Jesus Christ for yourself. After all, if I am correct, your church exists only in laws. It has no regular members. Paul cast aside his church laws and his obedience to them to gain Christ. He counted them as dung as well. You owe it to yourself.

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    but little political direction.” --George Washington,
    re: absence of "Jesus Christ" in U.S. Constit

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