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One Flesh Union - Christ and the Church

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What is the One Flesh Union concerning Christ and the Church?

I have posted a version of this question in the Biblical Studies because I believe it is a beautiful question to ponder. And another version in the interdenominational Discussions to see how we view this mystery as expressed in the Sacrament of Matrimony differently.

But I have really been waiting patiently and anxiously for quite a long time to post this particular question on this forum because in another discussion here, the Catholic view of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church was called blasphemous. Specifically this teaching from the Catechism.

795 Christ and his Church thus together make up the "whole Christ" (Christus totus). The Church is one with Christ. The saints are acutely aware of this unity:

Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself. Do you understand and grasp, brethren, God's grace toward us? Marvel and rejoice: we have become Christ. For if he is the head, we are the members; he and we together are the whole man. . . . The fullness of Christ then is the head and the members. But what does "head and members" mean? Christ and the Church.

Our redeemer has shown himself to be one person with the holy Church whom he has taken to himself.

Head and members form as it were one and the same mystical person.

A reply of St. Joan of Arc to her judges sums up the faith of the holy doctors and the good sense of the believer: "About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply know they're just one thing, and we shouldn't complicate the matter."

Our understanding of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church is based upon this verse.
Ephesians 5:
30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Now, it seems to me that our understanding lines up pretty well with Scripture.

And so, I posted this particular thread to see how your views contrast with the Catholic view of this greatest and most wonderful of mysteries.


De Maria

jwmcmac's picture

Jeff said: "My comments,

Jeff said:

"My comments, which evoked that statement from De Maria, were as follows:

I wish that we could get past this because there is so much more to tell you about Hebrews and Christ's ministry in heaven. That is why I mention you in my prayers. I want everyone to have a direct and intimate relationship with Jesus. And that requires that we set aside all the middle men. Sure, let the church or preaching introduce you to Christ but then tell them to hand you the phone you want to talk to Him yourself."


jwmcmac comments:

I believe you, Jeff.

I could not believe that De Maria would have used that quote . . . if he had understood you correctly . . . which he apparently did not . . . so since it is difficult to tell who is speaking or who is being quoted at times in these threads . . . I mistakenly assigned the quote to you, since to me it made more sense to me if it had been coming from you . . . and perhaps I was being a bit negative in doing so . . . but it was not at all clear, none-the-less.

That being said . . . and reading the context a bit more clearly . . . I have observed something in your quote to which De Maria had replied . . . but what I have noticed is not related to any of yours or his comments . . .

I have noticed a 'picture' of this situation . . . of 'handing over the phone and getting out of the way . . . so to speak . . .

. . . the picture is that of a 'child of GOD' . . . telling his parents to give him the phone.

. . . that's you . . . and all of us from time to time . . . telling our Mother the Church to just give us the phone . . . we all want that direct line . . . and we don't want to hear Mom's commentary . . .

Ha! ha!

. . . but I like Mom's commentary very much . . . and so does Dad . . . because She is His Heart . . . and if we Live in Unity with that Heart, we Live in Unity with HIM too.

GOD Bless us all.