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One Flesh Union - Christ and the Church

De Maria's picture

What is the One Flesh Union concerning Christ and the Church?

I have posted a version of this question in the Biblical Studies because I believe it is a beautiful question to ponder. And another version in the interdenominational Discussions to see how we view this mystery as expressed in the Sacrament of Matrimony differently.

But I have really been waiting patiently and anxiously for quite a long time to post this particular question on this forum because in another discussion here, the Catholic view of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church was called blasphemous. Specifically this teaching from the Catechism.

795 Christ and his Church thus together make up the "whole Christ" (Christus totus). The Church is one with Christ. The saints are acutely aware of this unity:

Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself. Do you understand and grasp, brethren, God's grace toward us? Marvel and rejoice: we have become Christ. For if he is the head, we are the members; he and we together are the whole man. . . . The fullness of Christ then is the head and the members. But what does "head and members" mean? Christ and the Church.

Our redeemer has shown himself to be one person with the holy Church whom he has taken to himself.

Head and members form as it were one and the same mystical person.

A reply of St. Joan of Arc to her judges sums up the faith of the holy doctors and the good sense of the believer: "About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply know they're just one thing, and we shouldn't complicate the matter."

Our understanding of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church is based upon this verse.
Ephesians 5:
30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Now, it seems to me that our understanding lines up pretty well with Scripture.

And so, I posted this particular thread to see how your views contrast with the Catholic view of this greatest and most wonderful of mysteries.

Sincerely,

De Maria

JeffLogan's picture

I am very sorry jwmcmac. You

I am very sorry jwmcmac. You are right. It was De Maria who made that statement. But the two of you are one, right? We really must be very careful when quoting others, and even sources, to do so accurately.

From jwmcmac's post: Jeff posted: "re: De Maria
Submitted by jwmcmac on Fri, 2010-01-15 06:18.

    Jeff misquoted:

    What did jwmcmac say recently? "You see, man has ever chafed at God's laws. Adam and Eve preferred the Serpent's suggestions to God's commands. The Jews preferred a human King to the presence of God between the Cherubim, and today, people prefer secular government to the instrument which God is now using to unite all to Himself, the Catholic Church." He could have also said, And today men prefer to confess to a priest than to humble themselves before God.

    jwmcmac comments:

    I never said that quote . . . I do not know from whence you got that one . . .

I quoted it correctly in the Libertas thread.

I am very sorry that I put words in your mouth you never said. I am trying to be very careful but apparently in my haste I too confused things. I need to heed my words to De Maria and slow down.

Just wondering... when do such things become "bearing false witness"? Am I transgressing the command, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." Ex 20:16 (KJV)? If so, then my fault against jwmcmac is sin against God. All the more reason to be careful when quoting. Our actions may bring reproach upon God. It would seem then that anytime we misrepresent the words of another we are transgressing God's law because we are bearing false witness against them.

(BTW, this is an example of confessing our faults to men. But I will never confess my hidden sins to men. That is for God's ears alone. "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed." James 5:16 (KJV) "Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone:" Matt 18:15 (KJV) But since this fault of mine was public my confession must also be public.)

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“The path of true piety is so plain as to require
but little political direction.” --George Washington,
re: absence of "Jesus Christ" in U.S. Constit

Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. -Proverbs 18:2 NIV



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