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One Flesh Union - Christ and the Church

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What is the One Flesh Union concerning Christ and the Church?

I have posted a version of this question in the Biblical Studies because I believe it is a beautiful question to ponder. And another version in the interdenominational Discussions to see how we view this mystery as expressed in the Sacrament of Matrimony differently.

But I have really been waiting patiently and anxiously for quite a long time to post this particular question on this forum because in another discussion here, the Catholic view of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church was called blasphemous. Specifically this teaching from the Catechism.

795 Christ and his Church thus together make up the "whole Christ" (Christus totus). The Church is one with Christ. The saints are acutely aware of this unity:

Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself. Do you understand and grasp, brethren, God's grace toward us? Marvel and rejoice: we have become Christ. For if he is the head, we are the members; he and we together are the whole man. . . . The fullness of Christ then is the head and the members. But what does "head and members" mean? Christ and the Church.

Our redeemer has shown himself to be one person with the holy Church whom he has taken to himself.

Head and members form as it were one and the same mystical person.

A reply of St. Joan of Arc to her judges sums up the faith of the holy doctors and the good sense of the believer: "About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply know they're just one thing, and we shouldn't complicate the matter."

Our understanding of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church is based upon this verse.
Ephesians 5:
30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Now, it seems to me that our understanding lines up pretty well with Scripture.

And so, I posted this particular thread to see how your views contrast with the Catholic view of this greatest and most wonderful of mysteries.


De Maria

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re: jwmcmac: "but the Church is

What do you mean by the 'Church' in the above statement? The teaching church?


The Pope and the magisterium?

The Pope and the Bishops united with him in ecumenical council are the Magisterium. And Magisterium means "teaching church". So, the answer to the question is again, yes.

But we have have discussed earlier that even some of them have been found wanting - not just in their individual conduct - but also when in their official capacity, they failed to respond to the legitimate concerns of their followers in a timely manner...

Individuals have even misused the authority of their office in their official capacity.

So what exactly is this 'Church' that is supposed to be the pillar and the foundation of truth

The Magisterium.

- since you see it as something separate from its members?

Nope. It is something from which its members may become separated because of their disobedience.

I'm honestly at a loss on this one.

The Church is the presence of God on earth. If you are united to the Church, you are united to God. If you sin mortally, you separate yourself from God but not from the Church. However, the Church is not to blame for your sin. But the Church has the remedy for your sin. The Sacrament of reconciliation with God and the Sacrament of the Union with God. Confession and Holy Eucharist.

The Church teaches good and condemns evil. If a member of the Catholic Church commits evil, why does everyone blame the Church?