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One Flesh Union - Christ and the Church

De Maria's picture

What is the One Flesh Union concerning Christ and the Church?

I have posted a version of this question in the Biblical Studies because I believe it is a beautiful question to ponder. And another version in the interdenominational Discussions to see how we view this mystery as expressed in the Sacrament of Matrimony differently.

But I have really been waiting patiently and anxiously for quite a long time to post this particular question on this forum because in another discussion here, the Catholic view of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church was called blasphemous. Specifically this teaching from the Catechism.

795 Christ and his Church thus together make up the "whole Christ" (Christus totus). The Church is one with Christ. The saints are acutely aware of this unity:

Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself. Do you understand and grasp, brethren, God's grace toward us? Marvel and rejoice: we have become Christ. For if he is the head, we are the members; he and we together are the whole man. . . . The fullness of Christ then is the head and the members. But what does "head and members" mean? Christ and the Church.

Our redeemer has shown himself to be one person with the holy Church whom he has taken to himself.

Head and members form as it were one and the same mystical person.

A reply of St. Joan of Arc to her judges sums up the faith of the holy doctors and the good sense of the believer: "About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply know they're just one thing, and we shouldn't complicate the matter."

Our understanding of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church is based upon this verse.
Ephesians 5:
30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Now, it seems to me that our understanding lines up pretty well with Scripture.

And so, I posted this particular thread to see how your views contrast with the Catholic view of this greatest and most wonderful of mysteries.


De Maria

Noshic's picture

Mike: "I find that the

Mike: "I find that the "Roman Catholic Church" is an entity that is being deified, and is seperate from the people in it."

Noshi: jw, that's my confusion exactly..

What is this entity called 'Church' which has never been wrong, never sinned, never found wanting - since you seem to emphasize that it's something separate from its members and even its clergy (who all may and have been found wanting - as we all have)? I find that the most confusing point in my discussions with catholics, honestly.

When you say 'Church'- our Mother- do you mean the Roman Catholic doctrine (but doctrine is doctrine and not the same as church)? Or do you mean a Church made of all its members - laity and clergy? Or do you mean just the clergy? Or just the magisterium?

Also, no-one blames God or any church authority when people disobey...But if the church leaders themselves sin? Or if they tolerate blatant sin in their clergy? Then they must accept the blame for it.. The Scriptures lay down a much more rigid code of conduct for the church leaders than for its laity, and so deos the catholic church in theory, even insisting upon celibacy for its priests. Then if in practice, the same leaders were in gross violation of those laws, shouldn't there have been swift action against them - atleast removing them from their official duties?