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One Flesh Union - Christ and the Church

De Maria's picture

What is the One Flesh Union concerning Christ and the Church?

I have posted a version of this question in the Biblical Studies because I believe it is a beautiful question to ponder. And another version in the interdenominational Discussions to see how we view this mystery as expressed in the Sacrament of Matrimony differently.

But I have really been waiting patiently and anxiously for quite a long time to post this particular question on this forum because in another discussion here, the Catholic view of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church was called blasphemous. Specifically this teaching from the Catechism.

795 Christ and his Church thus together make up the "whole Christ" (Christus totus). The Church is one with Christ. The saints are acutely aware of this unity:

Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself. Do you understand and grasp, brethren, God's grace toward us? Marvel and rejoice: we have become Christ. For if he is the head, we are the members; he and we together are the whole man. . . . The fullness of Christ then is the head and the members. But what does "head and members" mean? Christ and the Church.

Our redeemer has shown himself to be one person with the holy Church whom he has taken to himself.

Head and members form as it were one and the same mystical person.

A reply of St. Joan of Arc to her judges sums up the faith of the holy doctors and the good sense of the believer: "About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply know they're just one thing, and we shouldn't complicate the matter."

Our understanding of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church is based upon this verse.
Ephesians 5:
30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Now, it seems to me that our understanding lines up pretty well with Scripture.

And so, I posted this particular thread to see how your views contrast with the Catholic view of this greatest and most wonderful of mysteries.


De Maria

jwmcmac's picture

Ok, Either you can blame GOD


Either you can blame GOD and JESUS for the whole thing or you blame you and me when we sin.

In HIM we Live and Move and have our being. We exists in HIM.

The devil exists because GOD made him as a part of Creation.

We are Baptized into CHRIST.

The Jews were circumcised as first born.

We are members of the Church and CHRIST through Baptism.

But is it GOD or is it the Church which is at fault when we sin or is it us?

Did the Church do something wrong in Her Teachings and Sacraments when we decide to go our own way? No.

It is us who decide to do something against the Teachings of CHRIST and HIS Church.

So we should not blame GOD when the devil decides to become the devil.

We should not blame the Church or CHRIST when we decide to go against what She and HE Teaches us.

We are One in CHRIST . . . if we do HIS Will and follow in HIS Footsteps . . . but we are the sinners . . . not the Church . . . not CHRIST . . . not GOD . . . when we do bad things.

We are all found wanting.

The Church, in Her Faith and in Her Sacraments, is not found wanting.

She it is who offers CHRIST's forgiveness to us and who offers to us the Bread of Life . . . etc . . . in spite of our sins . . . if we are repentant, confess, are converted . . . and Believe . . . and follow.

But some nock the Church instead of themselves . . . so that they don't have to listen to Her . . . at least this is their self-justification . . . blaming the Church for the sins of some of her members . . . so that they can ignore what She Teaches us.

GOD Bless us all.