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One Flesh Union - Christ and the Church

De Maria's picture

What is the One Flesh Union concerning Christ and the Church?

I have posted a version of this question in the Biblical Studies because I believe it is a beautiful question to ponder. And another version in the interdenominational Discussions to see how we view this mystery as expressed in the Sacrament of Matrimony differently.

But I have really been waiting patiently and anxiously for quite a long time to post this particular question on this forum because in another discussion here, the Catholic view of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church was called blasphemous. Specifically this teaching from the Catechism.

795 Christ and his Church thus together make up the "whole Christ" (Christus totus). The Church is one with Christ. The saints are acutely aware of this unity:

Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself. Do you understand and grasp, brethren, God's grace toward us? Marvel and rejoice: we have become Christ. For if he is the head, we are the members; he and we together are the whole man. . . . The fullness of Christ then is the head and the members. But what does "head and members" mean? Christ and the Church.

Our redeemer has shown himself to be one person with the holy Church whom he has taken to himself.

Head and members form as it were one and the same mystical person.

A reply of St. Joan of Arc to her judges sums up the faith of the holy doctors and the good sense of the believer: "About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply know they're just one thing, and we shouldn't complicate the matter."

Our understanding of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church is based upon this verse.
Ephesians 5:
30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Now, it seems to me that our understanding lines up pretty well with Scripture.

And so, I posted this particular thread to see how your views contrast with the Catholic view of this greatest and most wonderful of mysteries.


De Maria

jwmcmac's picture

Very good Noshi . . . but

Very good Noshi . . .

but the Church is the same as you say as to GOD . . . the Church is not really found wanting . . . but Her Members may be.

GOD is not found wanting . . . but HIS Creatures may be . . . the Angels and the Saints may be found wanting and some even have turned toward evil.

I should have said the Faith of Man was in Shambles . . . so many of the men in that day not really practicing their Faith as also today . . . even though claiming to be practicing members of the Church . . . look at so many Catholic politicians who are 180 degrees off from the Teachings of the Church in what they do and legislate.

The Church always is talking to and about Her own members first and foremost.

Do we not understand?

Do you or I have absolute control over anybody . . . even our children?

Absolutely not.

Neither does the Church over Her members.

The Church tells us and has always told us the difference between right and wrong . . . but . . . it is up to us to do it . . . or not . . . and everyone suffers together in our wrongdoing . . . or . . . rejoices and celebrates together when we turn from our wickedness in repentance and contrition.

It is a constant amazement to me that GOD allows us to sin . . . in the Hope of giving us time to turn from our wickedness . . . and be Saved.

Why would HE tolerate us for a moment? . . . the power of LOVE.

GOD Bless you, Noshi . . . and us all.