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One Flesh Union - Christ and the Church

De Maria's picture

What is the One Flesh Union concerning Christ and the Church?

I have posted a version of this question in the Biblical Studies because I believe it is a beautiful question to ponder. And another version in the interdenominational Discussions to see how we view this mystery as expressed in the Sacrament of Matrimony differently.

But I have really been waiting patiently and anxiously for quite a long time to post this particular question on this forum because in another discussion here, the Catholic view of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church was called blasphemous. Specifically this teaching from the Catechism.

795 Christ and his Church thus together make up the "whole Christ" (Christus totus). The Church is one with Christ. The saints are acutely aware of this unity:

Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself. Do you understand and grasp, brethren, God's grace toward us? Marvel and rejoice: we have become Christ. For if he is the head, we are the members; he and we together are the whole man. . . . The fullness of Christ then is the head and the members. But what does "head and members" mean? Christ and the Church.

Our redeemer has shown himself to be one person with the holy Church whom he has taken to himself.

Head and members form as it were one and the same mystical person.

A reply of St. Joan of Arc to her judges sums up the faith of the holy doctors and the good sense of the believer: "About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply know they're just one thing, and we shouldn't complicate the matter."

Our understanding of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church is based upon this verse.
Ephesians 5:
30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Now, it seems to me that our understanding lines up pretty well with Scripture.

And so, I posted this particular thread to see how your views contrast with the Catholic view of this greatest and most wonderful of mysteries.


De Maria

Mike Kirby's picture

JW ... re: Mike said: "Miriam and Aaron

jwmcmac comments:

Not discerning the LORD's Body can apply on many levels . . .

. . . the Eucharistic Body and Blood of the LORD

. . . the Church . . . HIS Mystical Body . . . and Membership in It

Mike says,

Hello Patrick and Happy New Year!

To recapture the gist of the thread and my comments in it.

All christians are members of the mystical Body of Christ whether ye be catholic or protestant, I think that we agree on that. Who is better really isn't and should not be the issue.

Some christians (myself for instance) have received the revelation of the status of their salvation. Meaning, I know that I have eternal life in Christ Jesus my Lord.

Some christians (e.g. some roman catholics, and others, perhaps yourself) believe it is sinful to presume upon God's Judgment to believe that way.

Trent Canon 16 allows for those that have received "special revelation", like myself, to be not anathemized for believing thusly.

Since Jesus did tell those 70 to "rejoice because their names were written in heaven" Luke 10:20. Apparently they had received "special revelation" of their salvation and could and should if they were obedient to rejoice in that fact.

De Maria seems to think that it is NONE of his or your business whether I know that my name is written in heaven.

I maintain that if
I am a member of the Body of Christ and
You are a member of the Body of Christ ...

Shouldn't you share in my (and others) rejoicing in that fact? Is it foolish to ask others to rejoice when there is great joy, as in the woman who found a lost coin and the man who found a lost sheep? (Luke 15)

If we rejoiced together about things that the Lord has done, would it not lead to edification of the Body of Christ or marriages for that matter?

He did it for me (and others, even catholics), why would He not do it for you my dear friend?

"Divine Grace is not opposed to effort ...
it is opposed to earning "
— Dallas Willard

"Divine Grace is not opposed to effort ...
it is opposed to earning "
— Dallas Willard