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One Flesh Union - Christ and the Church

De Maria's picture

What is the One Flesh Union concerning Christ and the Church?

I have posted a version of this question in the Biblical Studies because I believe it is a beautiful question to ponder. And another version in the interdenominational Discussions to see how we view this mystery as expressed in the Sacrament of Matrimony differently.

But I have really been waiting patiently and anxiously for quite a long time to post this particular question on this forum because in another discussion here, the Catholic view of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church was called blasphemous. Specifically this teaching from the Catechism.

795 Christ and his Church thus together make up the "whole Christ" (Christus totus). The Church is one with Christ. The saints are acutely aware of this unity:

Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself. Do you understand and grasp, brethren, God's grace toward us? Marvel and rejoice: we have become Christ. For if he is the head, we are the members; he and we together are the whole man. . . . The fullness of Christ then is the head and the members. But what does "head and members" mean? Christ and the Church.

Our redeemer has shown himself to be one person with the holy Church whom he has taken to himself.

Head and members form as it were one and the same mystical person.

A reply of St. Joan of Arc to her judges sums up the faith of the holy doctors and the good sense of the believer: "About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply know they're just one thing, and we shouldn't complicate the matter."

Our understanding of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church is based upon this verse.
Ephesians 5:
30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Now, it seems to me that our understanding lines up pretty well with Scripture.

And so, I posted this particular thread to see how your views contrast with the Catholic view of this greatest and most wonderful of mysteries.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Mike Kirby's picture

re: Mike had written: This

Hi Jeff ... what made you change from jq to jeff?

Jeff wrote,

Hi Mike, I know what the text says but I am not sure that they were instructed NOT to rejoice that spirits were subject unto them because it is a joyful thing that people were set free. But, as you eluded to, their rejoicing was to be in the fact that the spirits were subject unto them BECAUSE their names were written in heaven. Was Jesus here protecting them from the pride of power and influence. "Power corrupts," they say, "and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Mike says,

You're right about being joyful when people are set free from strongholds. I agree that Jesus may have been nipping pride in the bud with that statement.

Jeff wrote,
As I read the context of Luke 10:20 my mind was asking the question, What would happen if Jesus were to appear in Rome today? Would they reject Him if He taught contrary to their dogma? Would He be condemned as a false prophet? What about Utah? Or, whatever place represents the center of Protestant faith. Would the religions there be offended by Jesus' interpretation of scripture as they were in Korazin, Bethsaida, and Capernaum?

Mike says,

I try to think along the lines that Jesus is present in and among believers today. (potentially at least with some).
How do I respond and receive their "testimony"?
Of course the witness of fruit and doctrine in their life determines as to whether I receive them/their teaching or not.

Jeff wrote,

And, if I might take the liberty, I would like to comment on what I believe Jesus was teaching.

Jesus said, "Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven."(Luke 10:20)

In my words, Jesus is saying, Do not think that this authority comes to you by virtue of your office, your appointment. But rather, understand that this authority comes to those only whose names are written in heaven. If the spirits are subject unto you it is evidence that the Holy Spirit is with you. This power comes from God alone and is not vested in any office or man but comes to all who are vitally connected with God; be it the twelve apostles, or the 72 appointed to go before Jesus to proclaim the coming of Christ. If you boast of this authority, as if you possess it of yourself, then you blaspheme the Holy Spirit by denying the source of this authority. And the power will depart from you as the Holy Spirit departs. So do not rejoice that you have this power, but rather rejoice that this power comes from God.

Mike says,

Don't forget that false disciples/apostles are among us today. Matthew 7:21-23 testifies that people who "never knew Christ (names not in the Book") did many wonderful things similiar to the seventy in Luke 10:17-20, whose names were in the Book.


Knowing Christ, (physically, emotionally and spiritually) and knowing your name is in the Book, is most critical to legitimately and successfully carry on with the will of God.

Just like ...

Knowing your wife (physically, emotionally and spiritually) and the fact that it is written somewhere that you are married is critical to having a successful marriage.


Mike
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"Divine Grace is not opposed to effort ...
it is opposed to earning "
— Dallas Willard

Mike
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"Divine Grace is not opposed to effort ...
it is opposed to earning "
— Dallas Willard




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