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One Flesh Union - Christ and the Church

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What is the One Flesh Union concerning Christ and the Church?

I have posted a version of this question in the Biblical Studies because I believe it is a beautiful question to ponder. And another version in the interdenominational Discussions to see how we view this mystery as expressed in the Sacrament of Matrimony differently.

But I have really been waiting patiently and anxiously for quite a long time to post this particular question on this forum because in another discussion here, the Catholic view of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church was called blasphemous. Specifically this teaching from the Catechism.

795 Christ and his Church thus together make up the "whole Christ" (Christus totus). The Church is one with Christ. The saints are acutely aware of this unity:

Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself. Do you understand and grasp, brethren, God's grace toward us? Marvel and rejoice: we have become Christ. For if he is the head, we are the members; he and we together are the whole man. . . . The fullness of Christ then is the head and the members. But what does "head and members" mean? Christ and the Church.

Our redeemer has shown himself to be one person with the holy Church whom he has taken to himself.

Head and members form as it were one and the same mystical person.

A reply of St. Joan of Arc to her judges sums up the faith of the holy doctors and the good sense of the believer: "About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply know they're just one thing, and we shouldn't complicate the matter."

Our understanding of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church is based upon this verse.
Ephesians 5:
30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Now, it seems to me that our understanding lines up pretty well with Scripture.

And so, I posted this particular thread to see how your views contrast with the Catholic view of this greatest and most wonderful of mysteries.


De Maria

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re: re: re: re: Eternal Security

:) DM said,
Thank you for the correction!

Mike says,

Therefore, by your own admission here and elsewhere as well, I understand you to say that scripture and tradition teaches against eternal security except by special revelation. (Trent Canon 16)

If that is true then why would the Holy Spirit say something to anyone that the RC has already bound as wrong?

I know you like to hear me say it, so I will, "Non sequitur!"

Let me ask you, when did the Church bind any revelation as wrong?

1. But perhaps you won't understand what I mean. Anyway, have I not said that the Church teaches that only Jesus Christ judges our souls? I believe I have, but if you don't remember my saying so, I'll provide the evidence.

2. Normally, Jesus does not reveal that judgement until THE Judgement Day.

3. However, Jesus may reveal His Judgement whenever He pleases.

4. So, if He decides to reveal His Judgement to you or I while we are still alive, who's business is it? If he reveals to Everyday Joe that He is heaven bound, is it your business?

5. And, so, where and what did the Church bind? Because the Church says that you won't know until Jesus informs you, your eternal destination, what has the Church bound?


De Maria