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One Flesh Union - Christ and the Church

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What is the One Flesh Union concerning Christ and the Church?

I have posted a version of this question in the Biblical Studies because I believe it is a beautiful question to ponder. And another version in the interdenominational Discussions to see how we view this mystery as expressed in the Sacrament of Matrimony differently.

But I have really been waiting patiently and anxiously for quite a long time to post this particular question on this forum because in another discussion here, the Catholic view of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church was called blasphemous. Specifically this teaching from the Catechism.

795 Christ and his Church thus together make up the "whole Christ" (Christus totus). The Church is one with Christ. The saints are acutely aware of this unity:

Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself. Do you understand and grasp, brethren, God's grace toward us? Marvel and rejoice: we have become Christ. For if he is the head, we are the members; he and we together are the whole man. . . . The fullness of Christ then is the head and the members. But what does "head and members" mean? Christ and the Church.

Our redeemer has shown himself to be one person with the holy Church whom he has taken to himself.

Head and members form as it were one and the same mystical person.

A reply of St. Joan of Arc to her judges sums up the faith of the holy doctors and the good sense of the believer: "About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply know they're just one thing, and we shouldn't complicate the matter."

Our understanding of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church is based upon this verse.
Ephesians 5:
30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Now, it seems to me that our understanding lines up pretty well with Scripture.

And so, I posted this particular thread to see how your views contrast with the Catholic view of this greatest and most wonderful of mysteries.


De Maria

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re: Noshi muses; I just saw the

Noshi muses; I just saw the funny aspect of that statement - what if after all the decoding and simplification and debates, catholics and protestants realize they were saying the same things , but using different language, and different dictionaries?

jq responds; Hmmmm, kinda like mysterious gray areas which requires a certain spiritual leader to help us understand?

Revelation confirms that there will come a time when the whole world will follow the beast: Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Buddhist, Spiritual, Hindu...you name it. "...The whole world was astonished and followed the beast." Revelation 13:3 That is happening now with former Protestant faiths saying things like, "after all, we do not differ so widely from the Catholic faith," and they are signing agreements. And dialogs are occurring between Popes and Emons.

What's an Emon? And what's wrong with dialogue with anyone?

However, this huge amalgamation of the various religious systems, while professing unity, actually confounds the truth.

The Catholic Church never confounds the Truth.

A vivid example is right here on this forum. You have admitted that you can change your mind about what is true from one day to the next.

The Church doesn't do that. It is, in fact, one of those things for which She is castigated by anti-Catholics who want Her to change doctrines with every wind that blows.

And it is this confused unity which forms that great city Babylon. She becomes the dwelling place for every detestable doctrine, even of demons. "She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evil spirit, a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird."

There is no confused unity in the Catholic Church. Another one of those things for which She is castigated is because She doesn't permit anyone who doesn't hold that unity to partake in the Sacrament of Unity, the Holy Eucharist.

Many other faiths have what they call "open communion" with anyone regardless of what they believe. But that concept is foreign to the Catholic Church.

The reason the Protestant faiths return to Mother Church is because they set stakes in the ground and would not move forward with the revelation of truth. And as the light of truth left them further and further behind they found themselves in darkness. Since the wedding procession has moved so far ahead of them the only light they can make out now is the dim light that shines from behind them--And that is the light generated by the church they once protested against. But it is an artificial light kept flickering by the genius of men.

On the contrary, the noticed that the farther away they went from the Catholic Church, the more deeply they were enveloped by darkness.

The Protestants who have returned to the Catholic faith did so because they saw their faith communities embracing corrupted novel doctrines such as the recent anointing of gay priests.

They turned around and found that the only Church that has not compromised with Satan is the Catholic Church.

Now I have offended everyone. I have not singled out any religion but have included them all. And some thought I was prejudiced against their particular brand of faith. But only those who are prepared to follow the Lamb wither soever He goes will respond to His call to come out of this amalgamation of confused religions. That time is fast approaching as we see the progress of ecumenism.

Come out to what Jeff? To your brand of religion wherein you don't know what is the truth nor whether your concept of truth will change from one day to the next.

It just occurred to me that Catholics have greater Assurance than Protestants.

Protestants claim they are absolutely assured of Salvation.

The Catholic Church claims infallibility and thus assurance of Truth which God says we shall know and knowing the Truth will make us free.
John 8:32
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.