One Flesh Union - Christ and the Church

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What is the One Flesh Union concerning Christ and the Church?

I have posted a version of this question in the Biblical Studies because I believe it is a beautiful question to ponder. And another version in the interdenominational Discussions to see how we view this mystery as expressed in the Sacrament of Matrimony differently.

But I have really been waiting patiently and anxiously for quite a long time to post this particular question on this forum because in another discussion here, the Catholic view of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church was called blasphemous. Specifically this teaching from the Catechism.

795 Christ and his Church thus together make up the "whole Christ" (Christus totus). The Church is one with Christ. The saints are acutely aware of this unity:

Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself. Do you understand and grasp, brethren, God's grace toward us? Marvel and rejoice: we have become Christ. For if he is the head, we are the members; he and we together are the whole man. . . . The fullness of Christ then is the head and the members. But what does "head and members" mean? Christ and the Church.

Our redeemer has shown himself to be one person with the holy Church whom he has taken to himself.

Head and members form as it were one and the same mystical person.

A reply of St. Joan of Arc to her judges sums up the faith of the holy doctors and the good sense of the believer: "About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply know they're just one thing, and we shouldn't complicate the matter."

Our understanding of the One Flesh Union between Christ and the Church is based upon this verse.
Ephesians 5:
30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Now, it seems to me that our understanding lines up pretty well with Scripture.

And so, I posted this particular thread to see how your views contrast with the Catholic view of this greatest and most wonderful of mysteries.


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re: Jesus said "I am the Way"

DM said,

The teaching is that we, the Church, are one with Christ. Does your church teach that you are one with Christ? Yes, or no.

Mike says,

Yes, the Word does teach that christians are united to Christ as a body.

But it, nor scripture teaches that we have literally "become Christ" as RCC item 795 seems to teach.

Why does Christ say to Saul:
Acts 9:4
And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

Was Saul persecuting Jesus, or was Saul persecuting the Church?

Jesus came and said "I am the Way" and christians are to point others to Him. As "Way show-ers", we exalt Him as the Way.

Which we do.

We don't become the way.

But we become one with the Way.

I see that there are some religious systems that teach very subtly and exalt themselves as the Way. That kind of system also does produce "children". Scripture says that "wisdom is shown by the children it produces". Thus the whore of babylon does beget children but they too are harlots.

A reference to Babylon? Are you insinuating what others here have expressed outright?

That is why I say that the interpretation of 795 by St. Augustine ("Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself.") can be viewed as blasphemous, how Augustine held that in his heart we'll never know. But I do see the present day reality that there is there is much pride shown by some for adhering to an institution above and beyond their allegiance to Christ Himself.

Which institution is this that you refer to? Because the Catholic Church teaches that our allegiance is to Christ. But it is Christ who says:
Luke 10 16He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

And He also said:
Matthew 18:17
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

And we believe Christ.

De Maria