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Trinitarian Crisis in Popular Evangelicalism

brorito's picture

Several years ago I came to the suspicion that the doctrine of the trinity had fallen on hard times. The lack of empirical indicators to prove such a statement left me only with a suspicion. However, it seemed to me that the doctrine of the trinity didn’t quite get the same recognition as some of the popular teachings like prosperity, morality, self-esteem, and relationships. Yet one cannot deny the perennial nature of the trinity and its related teachings. It doesn't take long before one begins to notice that within contemporary evangelicalism discourses seem to emphasize second order discourses and primary order discourses Christology, God, or the trinity were relegated to secondary status. It seems to me that the sentiment today is that the trinity is a doctrine to be believed not understood which I would say is a CRISIS. Any thoughts?

jwmcmac's picture

As I said, Dustin, you are

As I said, Dustin, you are playing with semantics for the most part.

In most of what you say, just as I, you cannot describe the FATHER, SON and HOLY GHOST without referring to Their Roles, which are distinct . . . and this distinctness being by Their Choice, if perhaps not by strict necessity.

Each is the One GOD in Their Individual Person and Together in Their Individual Roles they form the One GOD acting in Their Unity of Love . . . All Three . . . Accomplishing the FATHER's Divine Will and Plan . . . forming this through the Substantial Wisdom of the Son, Incarnate in JESUS the CHRIST . . . and manifest in the visible and invisible Universe which we refer to as Creation . . . all existing in and being quickened by the Power and Grace of Living Love WHO Is the HOLY SPIRIT.

If we want to distinguish the Name we give to Each of Their Person's in each of Their distinct Roles . . . we may call them as we desire to call them . . . and when you call Them one thing and I call Them another . . . I call this Semantics.

When you finally get to your punch-line however, at the end . . . I think you part ways with us and with St Gregory and with the Catechism of the Catholic Church and with Athanasias and all the rest . . . at least a little bit . . . but again, this could just be semantics.

Yes, when we refer to GOD, properly speaking, we are generally thinking of the FATHER . . . again in HIS Role as the Eternal Person of the Blessed Trinity from WHOM Proceeds the Only Begotten SON, the Second Divine Person of the Trinity . . . and from Both of these Two Persons Proceeds Their Living Love WHO Is the HOLY SPIRIT, the Divine Third Person of the HOLY TRINITY.

Since GOD the FATHER is the One Person of the Trinity WHO is the Originator of the Divine Will, eternally speaking, so to speak . . . HE Being the Head of the Family that makes the One Indivisible GOD . . . you could say that we are referring at least in that way to HIM when we properly are Speaking of GOD.

But you cannot leave it at this . . . which you seem to want to do.

None of the Theologians or Popes of the Church have ever left it there.

They all go on to clarify that Each Person is the One GOD Individually and that together They all Form the One GOD as a Family under the Father.

Since this is the highest Mystery of our Faith . . . I don't believe that you can describe it better than does the Church in Her creeds and Doctrinal Writings on this subject.

Say it any way you want or any way I want . . . it cannot be said better than what the Church has said . . . unless you are just exercising your semantics.

I believe that you unintentionally are ranking the Divine Persons of GOD . . . but without a clear statement that there is no such thing . . . except on the level of the Roles which they have . . . which if you included this . . . you could make some sense of it . . . if your were to still note that there is really no difference of Rank within the One GOD or within the Distinction of the Three Divine Persons WHO make the One GOD.

At any rate . . .

. . . when I Refer to GOD . . . I must address to which Person I am referring in order to make it clear . . . but then also . . . I always Know and Believe that I am also Referring to all Three and also to only the One GOD . . . be HE the Person of the FATHER or Be HE the Person of the SON or Be HE the Person of the HOLY SPIRIT.

I am glad that GOD is Three and is One and that HE makes all of the distinctions as to each of HIS Persons and that they are One GOD . . . each distinctly . . . and also when They all are acting together as One.

Thusfar . . . I have not seen you make these distinctions nor have you brought together and clarified the Inseparable Unity of Oneness of the Trinity . . . you neither doing this in reference to Their Distinct Persons nor clarifying this as to each and all of Them Acting Separately or Together and Being the One GOD.

This makes me to believe that you really do not believe this as I do and as the Church Teaches . . . but again, this could be semantics . . . and semantics can sometimes lead to misunderstandings.

As to me going read something that you suggest . . . thanks for the suggestion . . . but if you really want this . . . I have a suggestion also that would allow for you to help me in accomplishing this . . .

If you desire that I read a quoted material . . . you will have to put it in your post. It is not likely that I will go read it otherwise . . . unless it is free online somewhere and you provide the 'url'.

. . . and it had better be very short . . . please . . .

THanks!

GOD Bless us all . . .




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