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Answering the charge of infidels against Christianity

JeffLogan's picture

There is a verse in the Bible which reads,

"These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me." John 16:1-3 (KJV)

The infidel claims that if not for Christian history we would not know the depths of depravity to which the human mind may descend. That Christian fellows, claiming to follow in the steps of their Lord, have exhausted the limits of human imagination dreaming up the worst atrocities to carry out on those who claim to be their brothers in Christ yet deny one or more tenets of a creed. That the lives of millions of men, women and children have been sacrificed to preserve a creed all in the name of a God who taught them to love their enemies and turn the other cheek. That in this life the church persecutes those who disagree with her doctrines and at death sends them on to her god to be tortured through-out eternity. A god whose appetite for revenge is implacable and whose love for torment insatiable.

My question is, in light of Christian history, its decretals, its current doctrines and attitudes, and the way in which we treat others who do not agree with us, how can we answer the charge of the Infidel? Have we fulfilled the command to love one another, or have we fulfilled John 16:1-3 in putting them out of our midst and even killing them. Of course, we are stayed by civil power today but the Infidel contends that had we the power we would today kill heretics as in times past. How can we justify our actions? How can we condemn radical Islam who is but following in our steps? How can we condemn Hitler's slaughter of Jews who are classed with Infidels?

I would like to hear your thoughts. I will share mine as well.

jwmcmac's picture

JqLogan said: "You quoted

JqLogan said:

"You quoted Matthew 18:8 which mentions being cast into everlasting fire. But rather than using our own interpretation of what everlasting fire is we must ask the Bible. Jude 1:7 says that Sodom and Gomorrah suffered the vengeance of eternal fire. But where can we go to see that fire burning today? It is not. It has burned out. But rather it is as the prophecy against Babylon. When the fuel is spent the fires will go out."

jwmcmac comments:

Before I get to that . . .

As to GOD's Justice . . . look again at JESUS on the Cross . . . and see what HIS Justice cost HIM . . . and what it asks of us . . . or rather . . . what it demands of us.

I do not understand our 'offense' which man committed in Adam's 'Original Sin' . . . but I do see in the Cross of CHRIST . . . the Justice which was demanded to 'satisfy' for our offense . . . and it is beyond the scope of our imagining.

As to your comments as to . . . Matthew 18:8 . . .

Your comments . . . are talking only of the one dimension of the flesh and of the physical world . . . and we all know that there is the visible and the invisible to everything that is human and Nature and SuperNature.

I don't understand why you have a difficulty with the both of these at once . . . you leaving this aspect out on more than one occasion.

Those who died at Sodom and Gomorah . . . their souls . . . are even now . . . . burning in hell . . . in the everlasting fire of hell . . . even though the physical manifestation of the Spiritual Fire which rained down on Sodom and Gomorah and which burned up their fleshly bodies has long since past.

This is like as to CHRIST is Reigning in Heaven . . . in the Flesh of HIS Risen and Glorified Body . . . even now . . . though HE is currently gone from earth and is in Heaven and we cannot see HIM there.

You are not so wrong in one aspect or the other of such things . . . but you do not see both at the same time as one . . . and you neglect to see the Natural only being an outward manifestation of the Supernatural of these . . . as are Sacraments . . . as is the Incarnation and Glorification of CHRIST's Own Sacred Humanity . . . HE Being the absolute 'Reality' of all such things . . . which are a marriage of Nature and SuperNature.

I'll have to get to some of those other things later, please. Thanks for the comments.

GOD Bless you and us all.




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