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Scripture and Tradition? Where does Tradition stand?

Loutzenhiser's picture

We will continue the 2 Tim and 1 Thess here. I will bring the last posts from each thread here.

Let me define the thread subject here. We all agree that Scripture is foundational to the church, but where does tradition stand and what tradition.

Some questions -

Is a tradition considered to be apostolical even though it is announced and defined at a later date?

Must a tradition have some other supporting evidence or is the church's "word" good enough for it to be considered canonical?

Is Dogma tradition or just a church's view?

What support must a tradition have to be canonical? (such as multi-church support?)

Are views and teachings about a tradition also tradition or just a church's opinion?

De Maria's picture

Re: Church

Hello FB,

So many folks get so hung up on the meaning of "church". As an Anglican I am a "Catholic" as are all "Protestants".

In fact, the word "Anglican" tells the whole story. It is an archaic word meaning "English." That is why is so often referred to as the "Church of England".

In fact the meaning of the word catholic is "universal".

That is true. It is from the Greek, Katolikos.

The Catholic Church is more correctly labeled the "Roman Catholic Church"

Not true. That is the pejorative term which the followers of Luther used to demean the fact that Christ's Church is headquartered in the same geographical area of ancient Rome.

indicating both its origin

That is also false. Jesus Christ conceived the Catholic Church when He said:

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

And the Church was born from the side of Christ as He lay on the Cross:
John 19:34
But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

And came to fruition on Pentecost:
Acts 2

1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

as well as the "rite" which is its form of worship.

The Roman or Latin rite is the name of the Western branch of the Catholic Church. But there are many other branches, the Eastern, Byzantine, Alexandrian, and Syriac to name a few.

Thus, those who subscribe to that mode of worship are of the Roman Catholic denomination. (Most Catholics do not like that term but it fits perfectly because there are MANY denominations in the catholic church.).

That isn't true. All the Catholic rites submit to the authority of the Pope.

Church literally means "Body of Christ" with Christ at the head.

The Church is the body of Christ, but the word "church" does not mean "body of Christ". It means "assembly".

(Roman) Catholics might claim to be the heart of the body, Pentecostals the feet, Methodists the hands and so on, with each member of the body having differing means of accomplish the earthly mission of the church. The Orthodox too are "catholics".

They may all claim to be Catholic, but you won't find any of them all over the world. Only the Catholic Church whose Christ appointed Pastor is the Pope, is truly universal.

But Christ's church is both physical as well as mystical and it is nothing if not universal, or catholic.


In fact, I am just as offended at those claims of fellow christians not to be "catholic" as I am by Roman Catholics claiming to be the only catholics. So stop squabbling, especially over words that are used incorrectly.

What is that woody substance in your eye?


De Maria