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Scripture and Tradition? Where does Tradition stand?

Loutzenhiser's picture

We will continue the 2 Tim and 1 Thess here. I will bring the last posts from each thread here.

Let me define the thread subject here. We all agree that Scripture is foundational to the church, but where does tradition stand and what tradition.

Some questions -

Is a tradition considered to be apostolical even though it is announced and defined at a later date?

Must a tradition have some other supporting evidence or is the church's "word" good enough for it to be considered canonical?

Is Dogma tradition or just a church's view?

What support must a tradition have to be canonical? (such as multi-church support?)

Are views and teachings about a tradition also tradition or just a church's opinion?

De Maria's picture

Proof is not the point, JQ


The point of the thread on Purgatory was not to prove purgatory. People believe what they want whether you provide proof or not.

The point is to provide evidence from Scripture. Whether you believe Scripture is up to you.

So far, we've proved that another place or condition exists which Scripture calls "prison".

We've proved that the Maccabbees, a pre-Christian family of Jews believed in loosing the dead from sins.

We've also proved that the Scriptures mention a place where men are saved as by fire.

Putting all these together, I think that the Church has reasonably deduced that there is a place in the after life where men are loosed from their sins and the Church calls this place Purgatory.

As for the Protestants, what have they proved? Well, nothing from Scripture. But they have provided plenty of opinion.

Now, since this thread is about Scripture and Tradition, we can go through Christian history and see that from the very early centuries, Christians believed in the purification of souls in the after life. They didn't yet call it purgatory.

The CCEL has an extensive library which I've used, even before I knew about the forums, to find these statements by the early Church Fathers.

Would you like the discussion to go in that direction? Or is that relevant to you?