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Scripture and Tradition? Where does Tradition stand?

Loutzenhiser's picture

We will continue the 2 Tim and 1 Thess here. I will bring the last posts from each thread here.

Let me define the thread subject here. We all agree that Scripture is foundational to the church, but where does tradition stand and what tradition.

Some questions -

Is a tradition considered to be apostolical even though it is announced and defined at a later date?

Must a tradition have some other supporting evidence or is the church's "word" good enough for it to be considered canonical?

Is Dogma tradition or just a church's view?

What support must a tradition have to be canonical? (such as multi-church support?)

Are views and teachings about a tradition also tradition or just a church's opinion?

JeffLogan's picture

I don't see that

Michael said - Here is some such support for Papal infallibility - remember what we are addressing here is not whether you agree with these men and their positions, but whether what they say reflects an acceptance of the rule of the Church and the Chair of Rome as being unquestionable and I think these statements support such a position as being held by men who were both preeminent in the Church and which are far enough back in time to show this is not some modern invention. . . I would not suggest these are proofs of Papal infallibility ( that comes from scripture) but they do show these men were familiar with the idea.

jqlogan says - Michael, I don't see that any of this is evidence that these men were familiar with the idea of Papal infallibility. I think what we are witnessing is submission for the sake of unity which is a Biblical principle. It is similar to the marriage arrangement in which the women is counseled to be in subjection to her husband. Does this mean that the woman has no say-so in the daily affairs of the household? Not at all. In fact, she may be the virtuous woman of Proverbs 31. It does mean, however, that if differences do arise then for the sake of unity the decision of the man is to stand. And this is whether he is right or wrong. It does not convey upon the man any sense of infallibility. God does not preserve him from error. But for the sake of unity we must at times let go of our own personal opinions and become submissive to our brethren. That is the principle at work in the body of evidence you have cited.

"Iniquitas mentita est sibi"

Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. -Proverbs 18:2 NIV