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Scripture and Tradition? Where does Tradition stand?

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We will continue the 2 Tim and 1 Thess here. I will bring the last posts from each thread here.

Let me define the thread subject here. We all agree that Scripture is foundational to the church, but where does tradition stand and what tradition.

Some questions -

Is a tradition considered to be apostolical even though it is announced and defined at a later date?

Must a tradition have some other supporting evidence or is the church's "word" good enough for it to be considered canonical?

Is Dogma tradition or just a church's view?

What support must a tradition have to be canonical? (such as multi-church support?)

Are views and teachings about a tradition also tradition or just a church's opinion?

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I disagree Michael (spank me :)

Michael -
No the ideas of Purgatory and Papal Infallibility are as old as the Church, the dogmas might have only been declared relatively recently, but that is not the same thing at all.

Dogma's (like the development of the creed) come up only when an accepted teaching is questioned by a small minority and that minority become large enough or vocal enough that the Church feels a need to officially state them to remove any room for doubt as to where the Church might stand in the mind of those who have gone astray from orthodoxy.

Loutzenhiser -
The creed was a declaration of beliefs that was held by the church and supported by decisions/teachings already in place. The use of creeds continues to this day with the change of the name to Statement of Beliefs. (notice that I am supporting the tradition of the creed not the contents)

Teachings such as purgatory and Papal infallibility are later game additions that require obscure verse opinions to support. These beliefs as such were not taught by the Apostles. When did Peter ever say that his decisions were infallible? Where did Paul ever teach a direct view of purgatory?

Yes scripturally, the triune God was never taught as the triune God but there are many direct references that show the triune God and an understanding of it. Can you show the same support for late development tradition?

I can believe in Canonical Tradition if you can show me that it is of the Apostles, not of the church.

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