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Discussions on Jesus (combining Was Jesus God & Jesus in the Bread)

Loutzenhiser's picture

Both these threads are covering about the same territory now and getting long again. Continue both threads here.

JeffLogan's picture

It was necessary for God to take on human flesh for many reasons

ML wrotes -
But man can be tempted by sin and if Jesus is both fully man and fully God and God does not choose to act like God (as we agreed He is capable of doing) then His divine nature would not step in and prevent His human nature from falling to temptation. Thus Jesus not sinning was all the work of His human nature and there was no cheating by relying on His divine nature as you think would deny His role as our savior.

jqlogan writes -
Amen, Michael. It was of necessity that Jesus should become the second Adam and overcome sin in our fallen human nature. While Jesus had no propensity to sin, like we do, he did take upon himself the likeness of our sinful flesh. Scripture gives us several reasons why it was necessary for Jesus to take on our human flesh.

1) God cannot die. Therefore, Jesus had to take on human flesh so that he could taste death for all men.

    But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. Heb 2:9-10 (KJV)

2) God cannot be tempted. Therefore, Jesus had to take on human flesh so he could experience the struggles of temptation and become a merciful high priest. And this is a strong argument against those who may be tempted to think that Jesus overcame temptation by His divinity--the verse says that Jesus suffered being tempted. Christ faced real temptations, the same as you and I, so that every mouth would be hushed who might be tempted to say that Christ did not experience what they have experienced. Oh, the answer comes back. Was he not tempted to come down from the cross, to save himself, to throw in the towel on the redemption of mankind? Christ life was full of temptations of the strongest kind. Temptations to give up on man and call off the whole experience of the cross. But Jesus had something more precious in mind. He loved his creation and pitied their helpless condition. He determined even before he created the first man that he would give himself a ransom for the human race. Oh, such love.

    Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. Heb 2:17-18 (KJV)

Christ was not under obligation to create man. And as God he knew what the future held. Yet, in his love he resolved that he would suffer and die to save a fallen race. And so he proceeded with creating beings capable of withholding their love from him.

3) The whole human race was plunged into slavery to sin by the first Adam. Jesus, as the second Adam, overcame on every point where the first Adam fell and thereby redeemed the human race and has by faith become the Father of all who believe in him. Through the law God had revealed to man His righteousness. But while the law contained the power to condemn sin it had no power to make men righteous. It was necessary for God to redeem man from sin. This He did by sending His own Son in the likeness of our flesh so that as the second Adam he could overcome sin and become the Father of all who believe in Him.

    For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Romans 8:3-4 (KJV)

If men will not receive the witness of scripture regarding the nature of Christ then no amount of artful persuasion will convince them. Scripture says that Jesus is the Word of God that existed with God in the beginning and that by him all things that were created were made and that nothing was made without him. This same Word of God that existed with God from the beginning became flesh and dwelt among men. Phil 2 tells us that Jesus did not aspire to retain his exalted position in heaven but humbled himself, he condescended, to be made in fashion as a servant.

Oh, what condescension that the highest of heaven should become flesh and take upon him the role of a servant of men. The pride of a created angel, Lucifer, to exalt himself will result in his final debasement and utter destruction in the lake of fire. But the humility of the Son of God to condescend to become human flesh has resulted in his name being exalted above every name. That which Lucifer sought to gain by exalting self, Christ has won through humiliation. Oh, what love. Never was love expressed in any greater fashion than when Jesus, ruler of heaven, came to earth as a babe, born of a woman, born to suffer and die.

We are privileged to be children of God born by faith of the second Adam, Jesus Christ.

    Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 1 John 3:6-7 (KJV)

We may know his children.

    Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. 1 John 3:9-10 (KJV)

Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. -Proverbs 18:2 NIV