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Discussions on Jesus (combining Was Jesus God & Jesus in the Bread)

Loutzenhiser's picture

Both these threads are covering about the same territory now and getting long again. Continue both threads here.

michael_legna's picture

The Scriptures you use do not prove there is not two natures.

duu1der said -
I'm not sure I understand your question. If the 2 natures are not connected... how do you suppose that there is 1 being?

Because we have an historical record in the writings of the New Testament that Jesus was a single being. Add to that the fact that we have Scriptures which indicate Jesus was God (the Word made flesh) and that He was a man.

duu1der said -
Proponents of the Trinity have tried to claim that there point is based on some foundation.

Perhaps they are talking about all those verse (the ones you have not validly responded to yet) which say that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit all performed the exact same events - thus all are equally God. And we know from the Scripture that God is One.

So between the two arguments just laid out we have three persons in one God and the Son is the Word and so is two natures (one divine and one human) in one being.

duu1der said -
The Creeds came about in the same way you and I have argued with the exception that you do not have a Roman Emperor backing you as Athanasius was.

No the Creeds came about in the same way you and I have argued with the exception that those who were doing the arguing were grant the protection from error of the Holy Spirit when they were gathered together such that whatever they bound or loosed on earth would be bound or loosed in heaven. Who needs the power of the Emperor behind them when they have the power of God behind them?

duu1der said -
He insisted that his view point was correct and, for a time, had the ear of Roman Emperor Constantine. As I have stated, this argument has never been settled by theological debate, but by political influence.

Saying it is one thing but to get anyone to accept this you are going to have to support this idea with recognized independent or secular scholars of history, otherwise your opinion will just appear to be so much revisionist history.

duu1der said -
You keep asking me for my proof and I refer to the scriptures. You refer to the Creed and other man-made documents to support your argument.

Please!!! I have offered so many verses of scripture you have not responded to and addressed all the verse you provide to show that they speak to one nature or the other but do not prove the two natures cannot exist together.