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Discussions on Jesus (combining Was Jesus God & Jesus in the Bread)

Loutzenhiser's picture

Both these threads are covering about the same territory now and getting long again. Continue both threads here.

duu1der's picture

duu1der said: "God is God.

duu1der said: "God is God. He will always be God and therefore can be nothing else but God. Jesus cannot be God since God cannot be tempted by sin."

ML said: "But man can be tempted by sin and if Jesus is both fully man and fully God and God does not choose to act like God (as we agreed He is capable of doing) then His divine nature would not step in and prevent His human nature from falling to temptation. Thus Jesus not sinning was all the work of His human nature and there was no cheating by relying on His divine nature as you think would deny His role as our savior."

First, we agreed that God can "act" like anything, BUT, He is never less than God.
Second, you left out the part that if you declare that the 2 natures can act independently, there are 2 gods. Since, as you claim, Jesus is God, He can be nothing less than God. If His human nature falls outside of His divine nature, as you claim, then God is divisible. If His human nature cannot be seperated from His divine nature, then God cannot be tempted by sin -- whether His human nature can or not, since He never ceases to be God.

duu1der said -
Whether, as you say, God can chose to not act like God, in effect pulling the wool of humanities eyes, He is still God and thus cannot be tempted by the devil like the rest of humanity.

ML said: "But the divine nature was not tempted, it was the human nature which was tempted. So no problem here."

NO there is a big problem with your thinking. If Jesus is ONE, His natures are connected. If God cannot be tempted by sin, then neither nature can be tempted, since as we agreed, God is still God whether He chooses to act like it or not (of course, I still don't understand how God can act like anything other than God).

While you claim my argument has not substantiation, I believe it is your argument, that has wrapped itself around all sorts of words and philosophies, comes to the point where it CANNOT hold together. Either God is God all the time, or He is not God at all.