Americans running to Apocalypse

Loutzenhiser's picture

Suddenly these natural disasters mean the end of the world. Go to you tube and you will see what I mean. Hundreds of clips proclaiming the end of the world is here. Other nations have been hit with disasters of this magnitude over the years,typhoons, tsunamis, earthquakes, fire, volcano eruptions yet that didn't signal the Apocalypse. Only now that it's America, suddenly the world is ending? Religious prophecy (which, by the way, never mentions even the existence of the Americas) is supposedly being fulfilled...because we are .....America. The greatest country ever, proclaimed to have been founded on Christian principles, (go ahead prove that one to me, the american fathers were not Christian), and we are the center of Biblical Prophecy??? BS.. We are christian only in so far as we worship and obey God. After that, we are a pagan nation. Who is God's chosen nation in Revelations? ISRAEL...... and it states right there all nations (including America) will turn against her. We aren't a chosen nation, just adopted into a chosen people.

JeffLogan's picture

Christian Principles

If you consider Europe then America is Christian--at least to a far greater degree. The Christian principles upon which America was established deal with liberty. America boasted that it had no king and no pope. Thus, religious and civil liberty. Many of Europe's countries at the time were not established on such principles but were rather ruled by kings which were ruled by popes. The prevailing religion of the time was Catholicism which demanded adherence to her dogmas on pain of excommunication, torture, or even the stake. Even when a country broke away from Catholicism the church was ruled by the state. So hardly Christian when one doesn't have the liberty of conscience to serve God freely as the Holy Spirit leads.

So, it wouldn't be surprising that the nearness of Christ's coming would be hidden from the European countries whose greater populous is either atheist or relying on the clergy or priests to shepherd them into heaven. His coming to them will be as a thief in the night. Whereas, in America, where there is a greater interest in religious matters and particularly in prophetic passages of scripture, it isn't any surprise that they would, anxiously anticipating His soon coming, interpret events in the context of prophetic signs.

As far as the other things you mention, it would be difficult to demonstrate to you the incorrectness of your remarks without first enlightening you upon the subjects of new birth, justification by faith alone, sola scriptura, resurrection of the dead, confession of sins to God, forgiveness through Christ, the sole mediation of Christ alone, and other Protestant beliefs. But just as you would have difficulty explaining to a Protestant about Mary's Immaculate Conception, her as Queen of Heaven and the Mother of God, so we would have difficulty explaining these things to you, for obvious reasons. Nevertheless, I will make a few points on those subjects.

We don't need to go into the details of how the Protestant movement viewed the Papacy. I think we are all familiar with the views put forth by Luther, Tyndale, Hus, Jerome, Zwingli, Calvin, Wesley, and so many others. But allow me to make a few remarks addressing your comments.

Regarding American not being mentioned in Prophecy. It would be inconceivable to think that with the mention of all the prominent player-nations in scripture that the most powerful "Christian" nation on earth, at this juncture in history, would not be mentioned somewhere. Starting at Babylon, Daniel mentions its overthrow by the Medea-Persian. Then their overthrow by the Greeks. Then came Rome--first Pagan Rome then Papal Rome with a period of 1260 years of the Dark Ages which ended in 1798 when the Papacy suffered a deadly wound at the hand of Napoleon. Revelation 13 speaks of the death of that 1st beast (a world power) only to give rise to two others, namely atheism in France and religious freedom in America--which arose out of obscurity with lamb-like horns (cf. Revelation 13:11, "another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb").

To further establish my point that this speaks of America, let me say that those two horns represent the two founding principles of the American Constitution--civil and religious liberty as two separate horns (powers) not joined. Whereas in Europe these two were joined. Church and State were united. The laws of the church were enforced by the civil powers and the armies of Europe, esp. France, did the church's bidding. The church had lost the power of the Holy Spirit so depended upon civil powers to enforce adherence to her dogmas. This was not the liberty of which America spoke in Her Constitution when it states that "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." And I draw your attention to the word liberty. Given that America adopted an amendment which prohibited the establishment of religion, whereas Pope Pius IX in his Encyclical Letter Quanta Cura of December 8, 1864, spoke against liberty of conscience and worship, I hold that the two are diametrically opposed principles.

Anyway, there are usually two sides to every viewpoint. You shared yours and I have shared mine. Let the reader study and decide for themselves.

I'll have to address your other remarks at a later time.

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