John 3 revisited--Our Three Spiritual Births

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Hi All,

I am new to posting on this forum. I hope we will all have a profitable experience and enjoy corresponding with each other.

John 3: 3 KJV)…Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (soul) and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Comment: Emphasis in parenthesis is mine. “Born of the water” is not speaking here of water baptism but of being born of the soul of Christ. Soul can be body, spirit of the body, or both.

John 3: 13 (KJV) And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Comment: Before Christ’s death and resurrection no one’s soul could be resurrected into heaven.


Hi TruthComber,

Just a fine point on your comments specifically the misnomer 'heaven'. Heaven is a vague term in this instance - do you mean the highest heaven where the throne of God is? In which case do you suppose that mere mankind in their vanity can enter? Jesus allowed Demas to enter paradise on the day he died on the cross at Jesus' right hand but not "heaven".

Kingdom of God and Kingdom of Heaven are more precise in relation to mankind's potential entry as seen in religious literature, heavens is correct instead of heaven as seen in original transcripts, ref. Secrets of Enoch.

Good to see you pitching in posting, can you further inform us where "born of the water is referring to being born of the soul of Christ" is written in religious Scripture or expand on your basis for this sort of description in order for me to perhaps contribute further?